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Customer account numbers

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It would be nice to be able to add a customer account number when creating a new customer as well as just their name. Xero has an option to assign account numbers to customers which is handy when sending out statements as customers can use their account number as a reference when making payment. Right now I have to add account numbers manually in xero once the customer has been created in DEAR.


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  • The above ideas are time consuming and are a bit of a joke to be honest. I guess we just sit tight until you listen to our requirements.

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  • Hi Michael - have you tried using the Additional Attributes for Customers and storing your account number in there?


    You could easily import / map your old customer numbers into an Additional Attribute field.  For new accounts you'd need to manually create an account number - however DEAR does automagically make a 32 character unique ID for the customer.  That's probably a little long for what you want but taking the first or last, say, 4 or 5 characters would be almost certainly unique with a database of less than 10,000 customers.  This unique ID can be seen when you visit a Customer in DEAR as everything after the # (in bold here:)

    https://inventory.dearsystems.com/Customer#e4d26737-fc52-442e-9709-3f06fa3d2194


    When sending emails or documents these attributes can be referenced.  Page 18 of this doc shows the available mailmerge fields:

    http://dearsystems.com/inventory-software/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/MailMergeFields.pdf


    I know it's not exactly what you are asking for but it's currently functional in DEAR and would be reasonably quick for you to implement and start using.

  • Did I mention that we currently receive at least 3 payments per month that we can’t allocate because the reference is to vague to select a customer. When we had customer numbers, they would be the reference number, so it was easily recognized as a customer number and applied accordingly. Also, heaps of our customers still come in and give us their account number from the old software. Also, is this is an obsolete requirement, why do businesses like xero offer it? It’s still standard practice in big businesses/software everywhere. Why are we being treated as a nuisance for asking for a neccissary feature because you have not understood its benefit? Further more, Tristan Thomas wants me to start a new request for each of 4 suggestions I made. Why can Dear staff instigate these improvement rather than create extra work for Dear users? Who’s serving who here? I’ve had the same issue with tech staff from Dear Support where they agree there is a valid issue that should be addressed and they instruct me to start a new request. I’m over it. Good luck. If my customers suggest an improvement to me on the phone or counter or email, I don’t send them away and ask them to start again on a website forum, that would be bad customer service.

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  • You obviously don’t understand. Yes there are work around but these by nature are a solution to a problem. I’ll give you some examples. 1. I live in Adelaide, do you know how many businesses names start with “Adelaide”? 2. Business names change from time to time, a customer number would no have to. Sometimes we have to try multiple names to see what it’s under in our system 3. Some businesses trade with multiple entity names, same issue as above. 4. Sales screens do not allow for finding a customer by sir name or first name. 5. Some business offer a small key ring size credit card that contains customer no or barcode to load customer. How can we do this with Dear? Currently we have to open up the “customers” page to search by phone number or contact name to find the right customer name, then return to a sale to begin the sales process.
  • There is a unique identifier. The customer name must be unique (but it is not case sensitive). Customer codes are a legacy from days of very expensive storage. They are not very friendly, generally speaking ,and in practice I don't have a single client who is missing them (technical users are perfectly happy with the guid provided by the API) which suggests there are good workarounds. When I first started with migrations I suggested appending the customer code of the old system to the customer name e.g. in []s, so searchable, but no one was ever interested.

    Xero, by the way, treats contact names in the same way as Dear. Xero did eventually add an account code field (optional). I should survey my users to see how many use it ... not many, I think. 


    The generalised feature request would be for additional attributes to be optionally mandatory and optionally unique. I would like this, particularly being able to make a field mandatory, and I think I already requested this (Unleashed now has 'required' extra fields, but only for products and they are not yet integrated into reporting: Dear is still miles ahead.)


    As for payment references, it would be much better for customers to reference an invoice number when making payments, rather than an account code, which wouldn't tell you which invoice is being paid, a funny point when you consider this is a topic about unique identifiers.



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  • Account Code is a standard feature in accounting systems and usually serves as a unique identifier for things like integrations to other systems. More importantly, customers usually use it in the payment references....it's important and really can't be difficult to add, even if it is initially only to pull from Xero.

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  • Thanks @David Wawicki. 

    I appreciate hearing that. I'm not asking for anything "special" or custom. 

    I thought it was a basic need.


    the idea of managing it on an excel spreadsheet is just as bad as using additional attributes.


    why have two systems that talk and share information and then use a separate excel spreadsheet? too many pieces in the system, considering this is a basic expectation within the industry.


    Xero can handle an account being both a supplier and a customer which i think is great, but unnecessary for Dear. 

    It does seem to create some duplication issues between the two programs though when we try to sync.

    I think unique identifiers could resolve this.


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  • Also, just to add my 2c, something as simple as unique identifiers for customers and suppliers is a pretty stock standard component of almost every other accounting, POS and inventory software system out there.

    I have implemented half a dozen systems both SaaS and server based and have yet to see one, apart from Dear, that doesn't have a searchable vendor/customer code that is unique for every entry.

    While your work-around is fine for a small number of customers it is still time-consuming and not really workable for a large customer database.

     


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  • @Michael Davis I'm not suggesting you don't try to improve DEAR by logging requests for improvements.  I'm just trying to show that it's often impossible to implement existing workflows with new software and sometimes there are functional work-arounds which you can use rather than waiting for the software to be built.  


    I'd love to see your (1) and (2) suggestions implemented.  Why don't you start a new Feature Request for each of these and see if other DEAR users agree?


    For (3) you can search a Sales by Product Details Report for a single SKU giving sales info on just that one product.

  • @Tristan Thomas, I think you're a bit harsh suggesting I want a custom solution. I'm trying to help Dear improve by suggesting improvements. This is a simple feature that me and others would appreciate. Next time I won't bother. Also, I support @Michael Kuzyk's comments. I use Additional Attributes for less important details. Customer and supplier unique identifiers are a basic detail that you should implement. If nothing else, it might stop duplicating suppliers in Xero. If the Dear architecture can't allow it, say so. There are other "custom" solutions that I'd like too that I'm sure I'm not the only Dear user to need; 1- a search feature for quotes by docket & product inside customer window like sales. ( its like searching for a needle in a haystack currently if you do lots of quotes, even if you split it to different customers) 2- a pricing matrix / system that increases sell prices if cost price increases. 3- a method to find out how many sales per week/month/year in the product window. (How are we supposed to forecast and create purchase orders or we have to run a report which is for every product when we only want details on one item. ) Again thanks to @Michael Kuzyk. I was going to give up.

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  • @Tristan Thomas, I agree about solving problems for the market rather than custom specific requests.


    However, the heart of the issue here, is that DEAR does not create or use a unique identifier for Customers. Using customer name as the uniqueness constraint prevents it from syncing properly with QBO.


    While using Additional Attributes as you outlined above is interesting, there is no way to enforce a uniqueness constraint in an Additional Attribute.


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  • @Michael Davis I don't think it's always fair to want a system to conform to your particular workflow.  Generally the idea behind a unique identifier like an account number is that it never changes.  


    Using DEAR, for example, you could assign one Additional Attribute field for a unique ID.  Another Additional Attribute field could be assigned as a drop-down for your various account classes. 


    DEAR's in-built functionality allows you to edit a customers credit terms from the customer dashboard.


    If you have 4000 customers it would be pretty simple and error-free to use a spreadsheet to update their details rather than do it manually.

  • Dear would be better if had a dedicated customer number field in the customer information screen, preferably above the company name. Id like to use the Xero account number field, why can't that feed back & forth to Dear rather than me having another opportunity of human error. We would have to manually enter this data into additional attributes which creates another step of loading/opening another 2 windows at least. With 4000 customers, it's safe to expect 120-160 mistakes. And then more issues if we decide to change an account number, like we used to upgrade customer number 1830. (Numbers mean cash account) to WSC (letters for customer with a 30 day EoM trading account)

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  • Note that this field exports to the Xero contact so Xero's link feature gives you a button to take you immediately to the Xero Customer page.
  • YES!  Additional Attribute are searched in both the Sale list and the Customer list through the DEAR front-end.  


    You CANNOT search for Additional Attributes through the API for either Sales or Customers (at this time; May 2017) 

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